OTOH, deism as I can tell: "There is a god, he made us, he wants us to use human reason" It's like creationism mixed with meaningless atheist catchphrases. Any deists here want to talk about their relationship with deism? Or anyone else with any experience? I don't want to sound ignorant, but I am ignorant wrt this particular belief system. Why talk about reason then go on about creationism?
II I noticed that a lot of the Founding Fathers were deists, and atheists (at least on cutesy atheism sites) quote them, even though deists are technically theists...and creationist theists too, so that's kind of weird especially considering that's a major peeve of a lot of atheists I've met (I think because it's a really clear example of religion coming into conflict with reality). But a side note, do atheists not realize what ignorant mutherfuckers all those people were? One example is here: http://atheistempire.com/greatminds/ind