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Rollin' Rollin' [25 Jan 2011|08:51pm]

 Let's get this community rolling again...

First question:

If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into heaven"  what would you say?
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Writer's Block: Conversion Rate [25 Jan 2011|05:27pm]

Have you ever considered converting to another religion?

“The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.” - Winston Churchill

I am not about religion. Never have been. Never  will be.

I am about seeking truth.

When you find truth it will set you free.


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Let's Talk... [25 Jan 2011|04:55pm]

Hey...where is everyone?

I'm ready to talk about things of eternal consequence, are you?
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Newbie Post [20 Jun 2009|03:07pm]

[ mood | pensive ]

Hello there! :)

A meme has been going around my Flist these last few days/week from Livejournal's Writer's Block: Conversion Rate "Have you ever considered converting to another religion?"

Which has got me to into an introspective mood than I normally am when it comes to belief systems.

My Answer?
Yes. all the time. These days I'm mosaic-like, shifting back and forth the spectrum of Atheist-Humanist-Theravada Buddhism(moderate).

I don't believe in organised religion, but as a philosophy for life I've found that a lot of things in Buddhist teachings resonates with Wiccan/(Paganism?), and also more ancient earth religions... it's pretty free-thinking, and one of the only ones that encourage (self)questioning-- faith/s, itself, everything.

(this, granted is the original/oldest: Theravada Buddhism, as some of the later sects have likened Buddha to a form of deity when history will show that he's always said himself to being very much a human, and that Buddhism is nontheist. but then again, I like the principles, not the religion, so.) ^_^

--I come from a very multi-cultural/faith background... my extended family(and being a stereotypical South Asian family = big) range from Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Catholics all the way to Agonists and Atheists.... so from 10, 11, 12yrs(?) onwards through much of my adolescent yrs I went flitting from being a devout nontheist, spiritualist, monotheist, to polytheist, to atheist and back again. It made for a interesting childhood.

Ultimately: Organised Religion, is not for me. I can see that the history, tradition, and community can be a source of strength-- but is also potentially destructive and needs to come with fineprint enlarged in red lettering. Individuals and their belief systems/lack thereof I have no problem with, and I've always been interested in how/whether people identify with faiths/beliefs, and if they do/don't the reasoning behind it. :)

Sorry to ramble on! I'd be interested to hear what you think in any case. xD

x-posted at atheism

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[19 Jun 2009|11:29pm]

It seems like forever since I've been in this community
Oh how I miss debating, even though it seems like eons ago

Lately my only form of religious debate has been with my really religious roomate
Luckily she is leaving
But she was so ridiculous sometimes
Like if I was upset she would try to comfort me with talk like "Don't you feel like someone is watching over you?"
She knows I don't, but she has admitted that because 'she cares' she tries to gently nudge me into religion
I told her she doesn't need to try, and I would like it if she didn't

A really uncomfortable moment came when she was opening mail in my room while a friend was over
This friend ended up being the son of a preacher, and until that moment I had not known since we avoid talking about religion
Anyway, one article of mail was the typical "Pay our Church and Jesus Will Appreciate it"
Nothing that blasphemous - but still, that' all I got from the whole transaction
So she starts going on and on about bible passages with my friend
And reading directly from this piece of mail
I am silent because I know nothing, wish to know nothing, and know that offending her is a bad idea
I still end up getting chewed out and yelled at because I need to be more sensitive to her beliefs

Needless to say, it's nice to have some breathing room now that she is gone
No more fights about abortion, religion, politics, etc
Oh! And why is she moving out?
She prayed. And Jesus let her know it was time.
Thanks big guy ^.-
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Can anyone help? [15 Apr 2008|10:41pm]

Hi there, I'm not exactly looking for someone to convert me, more someone to help me with religious based research. I'm interested in the similarities between bible stories (both new and old testamant) and older pagan religions. I've already found a few websites but if there's any with a neat list of comparisons that anyone knows of i'd be grateful. Thanks

x-posted to numerous sites
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[29 Oct 2007|09:07pm]

So is anyone going to dress up as a "good Christian person" for halloween?

Or how about asking those little fuckers that knock on your door if they are of the Christian faith, and refusing to give them candy if they are with the reason being that they stole that holiday from you, the evil wizard/witch?
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oh for the love of the gods [01 Oct 2007|08:44pm]

[ mood | aggravated ]

11:13 PM 9/30/07 · I was rather saddened that I couldn't goto the Folsom Street Fair but other pressing matters concerned me. Okay, not really, but still...

...all this hoopla about a certain poster and some advertising for the event has got me more than a little pissy. The specific poster you've probably seen if you've been following the news (Clicky!) a depiction of the Last Supper followed extremely loosely with fetish gear and costuming a number of sex toys in the mix. I've actually only seen it on the news, with the understandable items being fuzzed over by television censors but even then...what's the harm?

the poster for the event is nowhere near as offensive as this...Collapse )

The painting everyone is familiar with that displays the Last Supper was painted by Leonardo da Vinci quite a chunk of time after the actual meal happened. Can't quote you the actual timeline but I think there were a couple centuries inbetween there. Realistically the painting doesn't seem likely, according to numerous religious debates I've seen, that everyone was sitting at such a table and even if they were...not all on just the one side.

Leo chose to represent it this way in order to best represent all the people present and important to the piece. It's not like they all posed that way so someone could run around and get a quick shot on their digicam.

I don't see the sacrilige, which I'm likely mispelling, as while it is a representation of Jesus & Co. having something to eat before that fateful day...that doesn't make it a holy work. A religious depiction sure but so what? If a bunch of kids re·did the depiction with World of Warcraft characters I doubt much of anyone would so much as raise an eyebrow.

It's not like they re·wrote the Bible in Crayola!

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Mind blowing... [12 Aug 2007|07:30pm]

Watch this movie and discuss.

Truly informative and insightful.

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the name's the thing [25 Jul 2007|02:28pm]

The chief problem with being a polytheist, for me anyway, is the swearing. General profanity I get by with okay but the more interesting stuff when religious names are intermingled get to be a bit tricky. Take For the love of the Gods for example. That works fine. However, Gods dammit just doesn't quite roll off the tongue so evenly.

This is of course the variant of God dammit, which technbically should be damn it but no one tends to really spell it that way.

I know, I know; there's probably at least one of you going "You can't say that. That's taking the Lord's name in vain!" It's a common faux pas but the truth of the matter is I'm not. While the Big Guy does have many names handy for general use God isn't one of them. God is a title, a status position, that little thing you see on the nametag of the Heaveny Cubicle just before the actual name. You can't be taking the Lord's name in vain if you're not actually using any of the names It has assigned to it.

Funny thing about names. Jesus isn't actually Jesus, he's Yeshua. I know I've been down this road before,m will probably be down it again as soon as another alternate strikes me, but I've never gotten why we call him Jesus. This is really all King James' fault seeing as he had the guy's name changed to Jesus for reasons even the scholars still debate to this day. I mean, several months back when they supposedly found his tomb I was all big with the smiles and joy...up until they translated the labelling above and it read, something to the effect of Here lies Jesus... after which I lost interest because I knew it wasn't him then.

They might change his name for the official documentation but when his mortal form up and died you know his loved ones would put him to rest under his actual birth name.

You know most of the disciples names probably got changed too. With the possible exception of Judas, a name you very rarely hear in passing, the host of the disciples seem to have names you'd hear on just about any New England street. Peter, Paul, Ringo (kidding)...but they just all have perfectly normal names. Granted, you don't hear a lot of folks running around named Jesus either, even if pronounced using Spanish phrasing, but you hear someone go Yeshua and suddenly it kinda works. It would seem to me that most of the discliples names are not as we know them to be...or at the very least not pronounced the way we're pronouncing them. Seeing as we're all using, relative regional accents not withstanding, American Enlgish pronounciations for these people.

...or am I totally off my rocker??

DEISM [18 Jul 2007|12:32am]

I I respect Christianity, Islam, Mahayana Buddhism, the Baha'i Faith because I respect what they have to say beyond "There is a God"; I can APPLY them, in a way, they mean something more than what is on the surface, there are political and social implications, and I like this.

OTOH, deism as I can tell: "There is a god, he made us, he wants us to use human reason" It's like creationism mixed with meaningless atheist catchphrases. Any deists here want to talk about their relationship with deism? Or anyone else with any experience? I don't want to sound ignorant, but I am ignorant wrt this particular belief system. Why talk about reason then go on about creationism?

II I noticed that a lot of the Founding Fathers were deists, and atheists (at least on cutesy atheism sites) quote them, even though deists are technically theists...and creationist theists too, so that's kind of weird especially considering that's a major peeve of a lot of atheists I've met (I think because it's a really clear example of religion coming into conflict with reality). But a side note, do atheists not realize what ignorant mutherfuckers all those people were? One example is here: http://atheistempire.com/greatminds/index.php (They actually include a few token white women, so they're extremely diverse from my experience with atheists...lol.) I think it would be very interesting to see atheism from a different perspective...the sort of people who don't quote mf Jefferson or Freud like Christians quote the Bible. Does anyone know of any sites/books/we?

[16 Jul 2007|11:55pm]

Has anyone here done psilocybin mushrooms to enhance their understanding and either reinforce or challenge their notion of God?
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Fellow atheists.. [06 Jul 2007|02:50pm]

Has Dawkins or any other scientist addressed what the possible ramifications are of the optical isomer problem in the current origin-of-life-on-earth theory?
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[16 Jun 2007|03:23pm]

has anyone here ever read the babylonian creation story "Enuma Elish"?
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Why did God create us? [14 Jun 2007|07:41pm]

I've been reading "The Purpose-Driven Life" by Rick Warren, in which he describes how a Christian should live. He says that God created us "to glorify Him" and pretty much leaves it at that. But I'm not sure what that means. Does he mean that God created us to show off? That God created us to make Him feel good about Himself? Probably not...

Do you agree with Mr. Warren? If so, what is meant by saying that God created us to glorify Himself? If not, why then do you think that God created humanity and the world?

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[20 May 2007|10:05pm]

A strange thought occured to me:

What if religion is a form of microevolution on the scale of the homosapien mind?  What if, religious ideas existed so that mankind could sort out its differences, and a particular group with a particular faith somehow became victorious and dispensed with other religions and peoples by way of bloodshed (like the Inquisition)?  Or consider that the ideas and strengths of man in the realm of mathematics and science and reasoning are the last or foremost indicators of change.... somehow, a radical idea will come along that polarizes human thought or action to an extent where survival of the fittest becomes imminent (global destruction by nuclear warfare).

Does anyone else entertain the thought that a belief or faith, while merely sustaining the psyche, is also a form of evolution in action?
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WBC [19 May 2007|05:54pm]


No wonder Richard Dawkins thinks you're all crazy.
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In the beginning... [22 Apr 2007|01:24am]

Things are slow here so here is a very interesting article from the Economist about the debate over creation and evolution and its global trendiness.

THE “Atlas of Creation” runs to 770 pages and is lavishly illustrated with photographs of fossils and living animals, interlaced with quotations from the Koran. Its author claims to prove not only the falsehood of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection,but the links between “Darwinism” and such diverse evils as communism,fascism and terrorism. In recent weeks the “Atlas de la Création” has been arriving unsolicited and free of charge at schools and universities across French-speaking Europe. It is the latest sign of a revolt against the theories of Darwin, on which virtually the whole of modern biology is based, that is gathering momentum in many parts of the world.

Article here
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Americans, Sacredness, Colonization [13 Apr 2007|07:31pm]

Just got done watching an in-progress film about Hawai'i, and the colonization of it.  The military, tourism, and real estate industries have done considerable damage, and continue to do damage, to sacred burial grounds, turning them into golf courses, having military training on them, putting sewage treatment centers on them.  Native Hawai'ians are being forced to be homeless as prices go up so rich white people can come and live there.  They were interviewing one political activist, I forgot her name, and she said:

"To Americans, nothing is sacred."

I would go so far as to apply that to all of Western culture: it's very secular.  Historically, I think we are living in very secular times.  The coldness that the American soldiers showed to the concerns of the people who lived there was really disgusting, and I don't think that most Westerners can relate to sacredness, religion, or spirituality--maybe they want to understand, but they can't.  Or maybe I'm just giving them too much credit.

Would you say this is true where you live?  Do you think our disconnection with spirituality (and imho, basic humanity) has contributed to this sort of mess?
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